![]() I also write on the date before leaving for both the outbound and return to be safe, which nearly cost me a ticket the other day as I almost came home a different way and didn't need it. If the first few attempts merely mark the card, before ink flows I can almost guarantee that your next attempt (or two) will scrape off the orange coating and then you're buggered - it looks like it's been modified.Ĭhecking the magstrip would surely have worked? If it had gone through a gate, it would not be usable again surely? The shiny orange bit of the card is hard to write on, and that's a fact. In fact, the last time I tried to get one I was told by the woman selling tickets that she was refusing to issue one! Ignore the peak excess below - you don't even want to think about the hassle involved in getting these. Luckily, I got the gateline staff to use their date stamps to put on it. I've now found a pen that seems to work and will guard it with my life! Let me direct you to this thread (and my photo) which confirms how hard it is to write on with some pens. From here or from a suitably knowledgable Solicitor in Railway Law. At that point you should take further advice. Your reply would be taken as Evidence and would inform the decision to prosecute or not, and if the former, would become part of the Evidence available to be used against you. There may be a follow up letter from the TOC requesting a Statement of your version of the events on that day. I'm sure that with some diplomacy and a will to reach a conclusion that is satisfactory to the TOC, then the matter can be dealt with simply (albeit slowly). But, perhaps unwittingly, they have now caused the claim for a valid ticket to be presented on demand to be escalated. In this specific matter, the OP clearly chose to contest the Penalty Fare at the time of issue - and that is their perogative to contest it. Thanks for your time reading this, and for any advice!Ĭlick to expand.Having been involved in a couple of alledged 'fraudulent alteration of boxes' cases in the past year, I can assure you the if a TOC's investigators have any doubts then they do indeed have forensic analysts to turn to for help. Is taking a Witness Statement the correct process in the above scenario? Is my understanding of nil-paid PFs incorrect? I fully admit that the day number was a bit shaky - it was filled in hastily, and in my experience pens often doesn't work first time on the glossy card which can cause scratching and the odd erroneous ink mark, so I deliberately went over the first number a couple of times to make sure it was clear and legible.Īny advice? Should I do anything pre-emptive before receiving an "Intention to Prosecute" letter? (If they send one at all.) I have 3 witnesses (the colleagues) who saw me fill in the blank carnet before boarding. He was very reluctant to give his surname, stating he was under no obligation to do so (is this true?), and went so far as to cover it with his hand on the Witness Statement while he made me sign it. I made sure to take a photo of my ticket before letting him confiscate it, and also asked to see his ID and make a note of his name and badge number. was your intention to avoid the fare: no). He then asked the standard questions (do you have a valid ticket: yes where are you travelling to/from. I asked again to be issued the PF he had said he would, but he continued to refuse, and even refused to let me see the PF form (I'm sure there is a "nil-paid" section on there which I wanted to see). ![]() I asked why I wasn't being issued a PF as he had said he intended to, and he said that this was what happened if you refuse to pay the PF. Instead he pulled out his Witness Statement pad and proceeded to fill it in. I said that was OK, but that I didn't want to pay the PF now, because I would contest it, expecting him to issue a "nil-paid" PF. ![]() He said he was going to issue a PF because he didn't think the carnet ticket was valid. He told me he didn't need to scan it because it looked like it had been changed, and because FCC do not always operate the barriers at their stations, so a check that shows it hasn't been through a barrier doesn't mean it hasn't been used previously. I said that was not true, and asked if he would like to scan it through the machine to check. I showed my carnet and the RPI stated that he thought the ticket had been used before and that the date had "clearly been changed". I was travelling with colleagues from WGC to London (FCC) this afternoon (off peak) with an off peak carnet -correctly, though hastily, filled in at the station- when a uniformed RPI came through the carriage asking for tickets. Hi all - I've visited this site a few times before but this is my first time posting, because I couldn't find an example of this anywhere else.
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